Curse

HawkofStorms · Jun 16, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

Nevermind...it shows how much you've earned...not how much you spent...so if you had 10k full faction for both and turned it in to just the Kurzick, its going to say you earned 10k faction for both sides, where in reality you only did so for the Kurzicks...

EXACTLY! QFT.

There is no record of it. Thus there can be no retroactiveness in the title, just like with the treasure hunter title when it was first introduced.

Very few titles are retoractive (in fact, the only one I think that was was the rank one, which sorta has always existed anyway).

Nebuchadnezzer · Jun 16, 2007, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Look right on your faction box on your account it tells you how much faction you have spent. Even if some of it is lost because of losing by spending other faction, wouldnt it be better to use this bar instead of just the alliance faction donated? They are already changing it to make it so Amber/Jade count toward the title. So whats the difference if they use that record to be more fair to those that spent it on Jade/Amber?

Just to point out. I don't really care if they do or not. It doesnt effect me much cause I don't pve much. I just thought it odd that it was worked in that way.

Poki#3 · Jun 16, 2007, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by FlameoutAlchemist

/signed

If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me.

Same here. Would boost me up from about 25k to about 50k.

This is of course IF they have the data. They had a record of faction actually spend, but it was removed not to long ago. Don't know if it was functioning correctly, but...

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

EXACTLY! QFT.

There is no record of it. Thus there can be no retroactiveness in the title, just like with the treasure hunter title when it was first introduced.

Very few titles are retoractive (in fact, the only one I think that was was the rank one, which sorta has always existed anyway).

both sides get the same skills and you cant have both versions of the same skill on your bar at once... so does it really matter much if it counts faction on the other side lost due to turning in on your own side? using faction earned number ftw.

Nuclfus · Jun 16, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Consider the opposite scenario. If you play for months earning title points through trading for jade/amber until one day when some update puts an end to that, would you whine your head off at Anet for not retroactively deducting your title progress earned by said trades?

Even though this scenario deals with a parallel "ex post facto" dilemma, odds are you'd think that idea of retroactive change here is absurd. After all, you earned that title. But if you would reject the principle for that change when it hurts your interests, then you can't suddenly embrace it a situation only different because here you stand to gain. Not to mention going all out and claiming "Anet screwed you" - that's just too far.

Kakumei · Jun 16, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Farming faction is retardedly easy now though, thanks to the bounties. While yes, spending faction on amber/jade always should have counted toward the title, I don't see it as that big a deal, really.

bilateralrope · Jun 16, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

For the same reason most things aren't retroactive - it didn't record how much faction you traded for jade/amber, so how is it supposed to know what to award you?

However there is a record of the total faction earned on an account. So why not use that number, not the number spent, for the title ?

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Consider the opposite scenario. If you play for months earning title points through trading for jade/amber until one day when some update puts an end to that, would you whine your head off at Anet for not retroactively deducting your title progress earned by said trades?

Even though this scenario deals with a parallel "ex post facto" dilemma, odds are you'd think that idea of retroactive change here is absurd. After all, you earned that title. But if you would reject the principle for that change when it hurts your interests, then you can't suddenly embrace it a situation only different because here you stand to gain. Not to mention going all out and claiming "Anet screwed you" - that's just too far.

Yes, in this case a retroactive change would probably be fair. Though there would be enough complaining about the change in the first place that no-one would care if it was retroactive or not. For example new players who expected the old system, but only actually get to use the new one.

peterchen620 · Jun 16, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

NOBODY knew the PvE based skills for Luxons and Kurzicks (Along with titles) are going to be released in this update. I don't see the reason why you all should complain at something that you fully understand that you won't get your title track increased before this update. I know, I know... You all want a free title and free skills to use... But seriously... Pushing Anet for something they JUST released? I believe they (the devs) already thought about this, but already knew it is not possible. Would be nice if it was, but I doubt it.

Lord Mendes · Jun 16, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by FlameoutAlchemist

I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title. Right now I'm sitting at just under 74k faction earned but only have 25k towards my title.

/signed

If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change.

100% agree.
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Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by peterchen620

NOBODY knew the PvE based skills for Luxons and Kurzicks (Along with titles) are going to be released in this update. I don't see the reason why you all should complain at something that you fully understand that you won't get your title track increased before this update. I know, I know... You all want a free title and free skills to use... But seriously... Pushing Anet for something they JUST released? I believe they (the devs) already thought about this, but already knew it is not possible. Would be nice if it was, but I doubt it.

I don't give a damn about the title itself... I just want to be able to use all the skills available... it was never even speculated before that the faction titles would be required for skill usage... i wonder, if they made it so people who obtained jade and amber got the skills while alliance donations didn't, how the argument would differ... actually that would almost make more sense... one way gets you a high rank guild and a new title, the other way would get you a cheap material piece and the ability to use an extra set of skills... whereas how it is now, people who bought jade just got a cheap material, while people who donated got alliance ranking, a title, and skills... oy.
but as also said before, it now does give title progress for buying jade and amber, so it should give progress for buying jade and amber before, since they do have that total earned value sitting there...

helldrik · Jun 16, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

/signed
It should be retroactive, there's no sense giving pve-only skills to pvpers that has allready donate lots of faction to their ally,
and not to give pve-only skills to those pve players who really should enjoy them(and of course, they have exchanged all their faction for amber/jadeite/scrolls)

Bane of Worlds · Jun 16, 2007, 02:51 PM // 14:51

Before the update, you fully knew that trading in allegiance faction for amber/jade would not progress the title and was only for the individual's financial benefit only. The title was an indication to loyalty to a certain faction or a will for a title no one cared enough because the grind involved.

If you donated for your benefit while you knew this fact and you didn't donate to your guild while they required you while taking advantage of merchant discounts. This isn't the case for everyone. The price of amber/jade prices are low enough that it is almost worthless to trade for these rare materials anyway unless the faction donation is useless because your guild does not care about town ownership, name recognition, fireworks, and discounts. Now Anet gave you a way to gain progressions towards these titles for trading for your financial gain(scrolls/amber/jade) and gave a purpose to the title tracks. Not to mention that you can now progress your kurzick title while in a Luxon guild(or vise versa) now because trading for amber/jade/scrolls now progress your title so you don't need to worry about leaving your current guild to advance the other title.

The allegiance skills are a bonus or a request by some people who complained that only Nightfall campaign owners get a PvE skills benefit while Factions owners are shafted because most have thought that PvE skills may alleviate hard mode's super mobs and Factions owners could not make use of sunspear pve skills. This was predictable as testing for only a few pve sunspear skills took longer so it is reasonable that there were more pve skills involved and their possible effect if combined.

Having these to be retroactive see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...08&postcount=6 why this should not be.
Title based on earned allegiance factions seem like a fair deal but the fact that you lose the other faction when donating if you happen to have both seem to tell you otherwise but who knows if this may change in the future of not.

Miral · Jun 16, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Bane of Worlds

Having these to be retroactive see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...08&postcount=6 why this should not be.
Title based on earned allegiance factions seem like a fair deal but the fact that you lose the other faction when donating if you happen to have both seem to tell you otherwise but who knows if this may change in the future of not.

as I said in reply to the post you linked to, you can only have one of them at a time anyway, so I'm not sure why that matters. most people that are wanting it retroactive don't give a damn about the titles themselves, we just want to be able to use the new skills without grinding even more faction for days on end... guildwars is supposed to be a game where you can access all content without grinding, and this faction title based pve skill thing completely goes against that...

I'd much rather you just keep your prestige title, and let the skills be purchased by all. its still 3k faction cost, quite fair.

Neo Nugget · Jun 16, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by FlameoutAlchemist

I'm a fan of the idea of making the faction you've earned count towards your title. Right now I'm sitting at just under 74k faction earned but only have 25k towards my title.

/signed

If they don't implement this, though, it won't kill me. I'm actually looking forward to farming some faction in PvE for a change.

Well, me either.But it would be nice lol

Does anyone know if the hard mode faction benifits from the priest are the same as normal mode, i tried it and it was 10 faction per kill and another 10 from killing a boss. I would think hard mode bonus from the blessing would work more like sunspear blessings in hard mode, where you get more from a boss the more enemies you kill...just a though

AOTT · Jun 17, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Jade and amber contributing towards your title is wrong. Your faction that goes towards supporting your alliance's control of a city is deserving of a title because it's an honorable cause; I don't want to see a bunch of r8 Saviors walking around that just spent all their faction on jade and amber.

If Jade and Amber contribute to a title, it should contribute to a SEPARATE title track. Like "Jade/Amber Hoarder."

darktyco · Jun 17, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

I agree that the skills should be based on faction earned. The fact the the Kurzick/Luxon PVE skills are such an incredible grind is odd enough by itself (have ANet been playing a lot of WoW lately?), but the fact that the grind consists of months of grinding for an alliance is even more odd.

PS- My guild isn't even part of alliance and probably never will be.

BohemianKeith · Jun 18, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo Keep it the way it is now, alliance battles are finally full again!!!!!!!

Apollo33 · Jun 18, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Farming faction is retardedly easy now though, thanks to the bounties. While yes, spending faction on amber/jade always should have counted toward the title, I don't see it as that big a deal, really.

I don't call 3k to 6k faction for vanquishing an entire area in hard mode "retardedly easy." It's still a long, arduous grind.

Hyper.nl · Jun 18, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

/signed.

(Yes, third time, there are more threads about this)
It would be awesome to have a title progress reward for all those hours I spent in Aspenwood and getting amber.

X Silent Embrace X · Jun 18, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

I think the idea of getting amber AND 1k towards a title at the same time rips off the people that donated to their alliance instead of using amber for money or armor in the first place. I missed out on 405 chunks of amber and 400 chunks of Jadite- 405k towards my title on BOTH Luxon and Kurzick sides. If you people think that you deserve a title for the faction you spent on amber, I want amber for the faction i spent on my title. Seems only fair to me that both amber and alliance spenders get the same benefit.
/Not signed